When your livelihood is reliant on your personal brand, how do you stop making content without losing your income?

Our guest this week is Caspar Lee, a semi-retired YouTube creator who had 15 million followers across platforms at his peak. He was part of “The Brit Crew,” a friend group that dominated YouTube throughout the 2010s.

Today, he runs four businesses: an influencer marketing agency with 180 employees, a talent management company, a venture capital fund, and a student housing venture.

None of them need him on camera.

In this episode:

  • 🚪 Engineering an exit while building the next chapter

  • 🎯 Leveraging creator expertise beyond content production

  • 💼 Which creator skills actually transfer to business

— Natalia Pérez-González, Assistant Editor

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  • 00:00 Introducing Caspar Lee

  • 01:17 How to exit, as a creator

  • 07:11 It's hard to do YouTube and business

  • 12:49 How influencer marketing has evolved

  • 16:02 The hardest part of influencer marketing

  • 20:33 Investing in the creator economy

  • 25:18 What is the perfect investment?

  • 30:14 Equity vs cash in brand deals

  • 33:14 The vulnerability of the creator economy

  • 38:43 If Caspar Lee started YouTube in 2025

  • 43:28 Caspar Lee's five-year plan

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The creator-entrepreneur pipeline

At his peak, Caspar Lee commanded 15 million followers across platforms. His last YouTube upload was two years ago; the one before that, five. The slow end of his YouTube career aligns with the growth of his four businesses — Influencer.com, MVE Management, Creator Ventures, and Proper Living — which have given him financial independence from platform algorithms and content output.

The South African-raised creator started on YouTube in 2011, eventually becoming part of the "Brit Crew" — one of the earliest YouTuber collectives, consisting of Zoella, Alfie Deyes, Joe Sugg, and six others who pioneered collaboration-driven growth. The group shifted from producing skits to intimate daily content, and was among the first to cross into mainstream success with publishing deals and lifestyle brands.

Caspar’s audience grew through constant collaboration within this network, and as his influence and income grew in tandem, he began to notice gaps. Brands didn't know how to work with creators. Creators had no representation that understood their business. The infrastructure didn't exist.

"YouTube was an obsession, but what I loved actually even more about YouTube was collaborating and building things from scratch and convincing people to make videos with me."

Those skills — orchestrating collaboration and building from scratch — transferred directly to building businesses. Entrepreneurship, in his telling, is just another version of those same creative muscles, applied at scale.

Creators whose face or persona is central to their own content struggle to find an offramp. Where's the business model that scales beyond your personal brand? In hindsight, Caspar's transition looks planned, but it happened gradually; it was never a tightly calculated exit strategy.

“I took off a week, and that week turned into a few months, and then a few years. I’d already built a couple of platforms that made me excited to spend my time elsewhere.”

He co-founded Influencer.com with Ben Jeffries in the early 2010s, as a way to formalize how brands collaborated with creators — an industry that, at the time, was still in its early stages of development. The company now employs 180 people and runs campaigns with companies like Apple TV and Delta Air Lines.

From there, Caspar co-founded MVE, a creator-focused talent management agency co-founded with WME (William Morris Endeavor, one of entertainment's largest agencies). Then came Proper Living, a student housing venture in South Africa that uses social-first marketing to reach Gen Z tenants. Finally, Creator Ventures, the $45 million fund he runs with Sasha Kaletsky, invests in consumer internet companies that stand to benefit from strong storytelling and distribution. (Full disclosure, Creator Ventures invested in beehiiv's seed round, and beehiiv owns Creator Spotlight).

Each business feeds the next, forming a loop that wasn’t premeditated but makes perfect sense in retrospect:

  • Data and deal flow from Influencer.com inform Creator Ventures' investment decisions.

  • MVE’s creator roster provides case studies for both. Proper Living borrows social insights developed at the agency.

  • And Creator Ventures closes the loop by backing companies that often advance the creator tools ecosystem Influencer.com relies on.

What ties them together is less a formal strategy than a shared sensibility: leverage creator knowledge without requiring creator visibility. Some creators build successful consumer brands that rely primarily on their persona for distribution — merch lines, beauty products, clothing brands that need constant, personality-driven content marketing to survive. It’s easier to step back from content creation when you’ve built businesses that no longer rely on your face.

“You do a bunch of stuff, you see what works, and then later everyone assumes you had a master plan.”

At the height of his creator career, Caspar had amassed substantial content capital. He was among YouTube’s most-watched creators. His channel still ranks in the top 1,000 by subscriber count, years after ceasing consistent posting. He successfully converted his following and influence into infrastructure that allowed him to walk away from content creation — without any financial downside.

Nat’s notes ✍️

A few things that stuck with me as I listened through this week’s conversation:

Creator skills are essential in sustaining businesses. Your follower count may plateau or decline, but the skills you develop while creating —relationship building, attention dynamics, systemic thinking — compound applied outside content (see more on this under Steal this Tactic).

For Caspar, being a former creator is the foundation of his expertise: he understands both sides of influencer marketing (what brands actually need versus what they think they need, what creators can realistically deliver versus what requests are unreasonable).

His businesses work because he's solved problems he personally experienced — misaligned expectations, poor briefs, pricing gaps. This double-sided knowledge is nearly impossible to acquire without having been in the creator seat, and the relationships and credibility he gained serve as permanent leverage.

Connect with Caspar on LinkedIn.
Learn more about Creator Ventures, Influencer.com, and MVE Management.

Transferring creator skills to other businesses

Caspar built his businesses from a position of strength — 15 million followers and perfect timing as the creator economy matured — but his evolution from creator to entrepreneur is illustrative, whether you have 15 million followers, 15,000, or 1,500.

We understand all creators are entrepreneurs.

  • A creator produces content to build and monetize an audience.

  • A savvy entrepreneur/businessperson, in the more traditional sense, builds systems and businesses that generate value independent of personal output.

Published originally in our February 7, 2025 edition.

Map your transferable skills

Caspar made the leap by recognizing how his creator skills — like brand partnership development, audience development and collaboration — could fuel businesses that didn't require him on camera.

These skills have business equivalents. Brand partnership development becomes business partnership development; convincing people to collaborate on videos becomes selling co-founders, investors, and employees on a common vision. Audience development becomes market development.

A creator’s edge lies in understanding how to captivate attention, build relationships at scale, and create sustainable, strategic systems that drive engagement.

  • Can you identify opportunities others miss? (Caspar spotted the brand-creator infrastructure gap)

  • Can you convince people to collaborate when you have nothing but an idea?

  • Do you understand why content performs, not just how to make it perform?

Two or more? You have the foundation to start building.

Build leverage beyond an audience

Your reach isn't just in your follower count or subscribers — it's the credibility, relationships, and pattern recognition you develop while creating. At any scale, this converts into business leverage.

  • At 1,000-5,000 followers: You've learned what resonates in your niche. You know the common questions, the gaps in existing solutions, the pain points people actually pay to solve. This knowledge is the foundation for a product or service.

  • At 10,000-25,000 followers: You've built relationships with other creators, potential partners, maybe even brands. These relationships open doors — co-founder opportunities, early customers, beta testers who trust your judgment.

  • At 100,000+ followers: You have enough credibility that people take meetings. Investors, potential hires, strategic partners — they'll hear you out based on what you've built, even if you're pitching something outside content.

These specific numbers are meant to be general — remember that it’s always about who is in your audience more than how many people are in your audience.

Diversify before you need to

Start building your next act while your current one still works. Your content is most powerful when momentum, audience trust, and creative energy are at their peak. Use that window to plant something that can grow without you.

You don’t need a full pivot — just one small, independent stream:

  • Turn your best-performing ideas into a paid resource or toolkit.

  • Build a lightweight community or product tied to your niche.

  • Create a system others can run while you stay focused on creating.

Your content builds capital; your business turns it into independence. The smartest creators build both at once.

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